MHC - Skiffing Across the Pond

[Dave]

Well, finally the sea conditions gave us a (very fine) day to take the 218 a little ways offshore. It was a chilly 51 degrees when we took a rather late (0730) start out of the Visitor’s Center boat ramp in MHC. By 1000, we were both shedding layers of clothes on this calm, warm, and sunny day – feeling like it must be 80 degrees, but knowing it was in the high 60’s at best.

We’ve caught so many (too small to keep) Black Sea Bass this fall and now I was anxious to get out and try to bring some home for the table. I consider BSB to be one of (if not the best) table fare available in the Carolinas. Running 25 MPH, about 15 miles offshore, I located the center of the structure just before 0900 and dropped a buoy in 61 feet of water to mark the spot for drifting. Immediately, we started catching fish, several just under legal size, but after about an hour, we had nothing to put in the livewell – I didn’t have any ice on board.

Using squid strips for bait, the bite was steady, if not impressive. The current was light – actually too light for my liking - and I started to think we may have to find another spot. Patience, and a few changes to our offerings, improved our luck as I hauled in our first nice bass mid-morning. Just before lunchtime, I had LW’d 5 keeper bass and Teresa was (unfortunately) still catching small fish. Something’s not right with this picture. Teresa usually out-fishes me, we’re using the same bait and rigs, and our baits are only about 10 feet apart, on the bottom – surely she will latch onto something good to eat soon. I tried suggesting several things to her that might change her luck but nothing I offered worked for her.

Several minutes later, Teresa caught a small fish (not a sea bass) I thought would make a dandy picture so I asked here to hold it up for me. She said she had a better idea. “How about you cut it up and I’ll try it for bait”, she says. That aint’ no dam good for bait, I implied, but if you insist, I’ll hack it up - it’s gitten bout lunch time, the water is glassing over, the tide is as slack as a government worker, and we’re gonna havta head in soon. As she sinks her #5 circle hook into the flesh of that fillet I’m shaking my head and thinking that bait would look better in the skillet than on her hook. We both dropped at the same time and as usual in the past few drops, the bait steelers emptied my hooks in short order. As I was winding in my rig, I heard a voice to my right struggling to get out “I think I’ve got the bottom – oh no, IT’s A FISH – I’m gonna need some help. Weeeeeeeeeeel, that’s what I’m here for, I said with a big grin. A quick observation at her tugging, bent, Penn Special Senator 4/0 (30-50 class) rod confirmed to me that if it were BSB, she must have a pair of em on. Steady now, don’t give it any slack, be careful – don’t pull the hook, easy now, holey cow, you’ve got a FLOUNDER, and a nice one at that. Did I tell you that my wife is a die-hard flounder fisherman - she’d rather fish for flounder than anything that swims the ocean and here I take her way out to sea to catch BSB and she still manages to catch a flounder?


We kept 5 this size but only took a pic of these two. Sorry for the washed out image. The original was backlighted so I used PhotoShop to lighten it up enough to see the fish better

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/djerhart/BlackBass9Dec07006CropResize.jpg


http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/djerhart/Flounder9Dec07007CropResize.jpg


http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/djerhart/Flounder9Dec07010CropResize.jpg

[Shakespeare]

Go get 'em 1stSarge!!! Dang son! That is one nice looking doormat. What time is dinner? ;D

We've had unseasonable temperatures here in central NC... I can only imagine what it's like down there at MHC. Better jump on that while ya' got the chance 'cause I hear it's going to change.

Hey, did you happen to note how much fuel you used running out and back?

Mike C.

[Dave]

Thanks Mike. I’m going back out tomorrow with tc. ;D

I will take note of yesterday’s fuel use when I fill ‘er back up in the morning. Didn’t use as much as expected though, compared to other boats/outboards I’ve owned. My eyeball gauge tells me it was something on the order of 1/3 of my 27 gal. tank. Ran 25 MPH out and 30 back in (GPS speed). Drifted on idle some and cut the engine some of the time, about a 50/50 split for about 3 hours. From past experience, I expect to use more fuel (for the same distance) when I have to throttle back for the sea condition (greater water displacement) even though I’m running lower RPM.

[Dave]

I used 12 ¾ gallons of fuel on this trip. Went again yesterday and I think I used a little less, as I didn’t run as fast out and back. We also took a couple of short detours going out and back. Won’t know for sure about yesterday's trip ‘till I fill ‘er up again on Friday. I’ve kept a log on all my previous offshore trips but haven’t kept the fuel data. Thanks for asking, reminds me to add that info since I don’t carry so much fuel on this boat.

[o2bfishn]

What a door mat. 011 If my wife got someting that big she be perfect. (she is reading over my shoulder).

Hope you and TC clean up.

o2bfishn

[Shakespeare]

Good info to know there Sarge. I've got this 42 gallon tank and it's just overkill for my needs. I'll probably make a few runs out in the big water but can't imagine going out too far. I'm toying with the idea of seeing if someone with a 27 wants to trade. The extra room underneath the console would be nice. I'm going to pull the tank anyway to get some stuff done under the console so it would be a good time to do the switch-er-roo. I'll think on it a little more.

How'd you and TC do?

Mike C.

[koolj]

now that is a flounder - I was beginning to think they were all getting to 13.5 inches and stopped growing - one of those evolution things for survival you know - I was on Belews Lake today and low and behold the jet skis appeared - I told them it just ain't right - I fish in unbearable conditoions while they are not on the water and I get a good day just before Christmas and show they heads again - I told them to go back in hybernation cause snow is coming this weekend and they might get their designer suba suits frosted - by the way only 2 small crappie today but it was a great day to be on the water

[Dave]

Mike, let me know if you want to trade. Would save me from having to carry a couple of extra (5 gal) portable tanks with me on some of the longer trips I plan on making. Where does that 42 gal tank go on your boat?

We caught a lot of short BSB, a few pin fish, a lizard fish, and an octopus, but only 7 legal bass to bring home with us. Th octopus actually had hold of my sinker (not hooked) and hung on until I raised him out of the water and he turned loose. Real nice day though, a little rougher going out (averaged about 15 MPH) but was able to hammer down on the way back. Tee-shirt weather after about 0900.

Dave

[Dave]

You and me both, koolj. I was beginning to think all the legal size flounder were done caught up by the time we got out after ‘em this fall. Caught several small and smaller flounders but this one was the first legal one put on my boat. Got ‘er all froze up and ready to take to Mississippi (son’s family) where we’ll feast on the succulent fillets day after Christmas. I weighed it the next day after it had been in a cooler of ice for 24 hours. It measured 23” and weighed exactly 5 pounds on my postal scale, beating my wife’s previous “longest” flounder by 1 inch.

[koolj]

I was fortunate enough to catch a 25.5 incher that 7lbs 10 oz - caught it near the Emerald Isle Bridge in 1988 - casting a clear mirolure to one of the grass islands and slowly draging it back - had not caught a fish all day - thought I was hung as well and I guess I lifted his lips off the bottom and it was on - my brother was trying to net same and he was hollering for me to move it this way and to move it that way - I finally told him if I could put him where I wanted to I would put it in the damn boat - well finally after holding on for about 15 minutes wwe got him close enough and got him in the boat - all three treble hooks was dug in and he was not coming loose - that was a great catch of course back then it was not unusual for us to catch 20 4 to 5 pound trout a day either - and tons of puppy drum were every where - my how things change

[Shakespeare]

Sarge, that tank goes under the console. It's supposed to work with XL consoles only. I'll get the dimensions and email you on it.

Save me a bite of that bsb ;D

[Dave]

Well shucks Mike all them bites is already spoken fer - but I’ll keep you in mind if we cetch sumore. Better yet, common down and we’ll cetch some fer ya ta nibble on. 012

Mike, if I understand you, you have the 42 gal tank above deck on your DLV, stuck up under your console? You do have the same console as me, right – Large (not the XL)? I haven’t seen a DLX with an internal tank. Both of my previous boats had internal tanks. The bayliner had only a 12” round hatch that allowed access to the fuel line and grounding plate on the tank and the other (Sea Craft) has a cover that was big enough to be able to remove and replace the tank. Needless to say the Bayliner would require some serious deck destruction should the tank ever need replacing. Guess Bayliner expected the boat would disintegrate long before the tank gave out. 006

Don’t you wish ya had a video of that catch koolj http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/djerhart/ROFLMAO.gif Nuttin like settin the hook on a jumbo flounder, eigh? I can relate to your brother’s excitement since it’s usually Teresa doin the catchin while I’m trying to coach her how to guide it to the net.

It’s impressive how fish will start bulking up after reaching maturity. Each additional inch makes a lot of difference in weight. Below is the 22 ½” flounder Teresa caught in Aug03. I recalled it only being 22” but my file description says it was 22 ½” so that’s what it must have been. It weighted 4-1/2 lbs (just ½” shorter than the 5 pounder the other day). On both occasions, these large flounder were the only flounder caught on that day. Teresa caught this one off a bridge in Davis, NC, our favorite land-based spot to fish for flounder.

We hadn’t fished anywhere for a few years before that trip and it came to be our last fishing trip to the Davis bridge. A few days after the trip, all the bridges in that area were banned from fishing off the top of them. Back in the 80’s, that particular bridge had a shrimp house on one end and a crab house on the other end. All the fresh waste from the shrimp and crabs were dumped out near the houses and the fishing was outstanding in that area, as the tides washed the byproduct around and through the bridge. The shrimp house burned down in the mid-80’s and I doubt the crab house is still operational, as it was steadily operating less and less through the 90’s. We fished elsewhere (on the boat) most of the spring and summer, but we’d mark our schedule to make a few drives to Davis each year to catch the fat flounders that came through that bridge channel in fall. You're right - times have changed. OTOH, the more the challenge, the greater the satisfaction...

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/djerhart/Flounder225inch030829004-Resize2.jpg

[Willie]

013 nice fish there....... been a real long time since I have seen bsb and a flounder so big.................. Merry Christmas also... Willie... 010

[Dave]

Thanks Willie. Love these salt water fish. Notice how full the bellies on the bass are - and they still wanted more :o Bet they'd be a pound heavier if weighed right after being caught. Usually BSB empty their stomach shortly after being put in the box or livewell, making it convenient and easy for ya to see what they've been feeding on. In this case, it was 4 to 5" glass minnows. The water column around our boat was full of bait much of the day.

Merry Christmas to all.

Dave

[Shakespeare]

1stSarge... Sharky Pam said to tell Teresa that "girls rule". 003 She may have a point 'cause she generally outfishes me every time.

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I have the XL console and the poly tank is free standing (sits on the deck underneath the console).

[Dave]

Thanks Mike. The tank is gonna be too big for my "Large" console - my 27 gal tank barely fits. I appreciate the offer though.

I was thinking about you this morning. It's been beautiful here all week but the good news is this weekend has been forecasted to be cold, wet, and very windy - a perfect "Shakespeare" weekend 006 ;D

Gonna be out of town next week and won't be back till after the first of the year.

You fellas enjoy the holidays, eigh?

Dave

[Harry]

Flounder has to be my favorite fishing. Nice flattie you have in your picture there SGT !!

Here's my personal best, a big 8.2 pounder caught about 4 years ago. I'm still look to break into a double digit fish.
I've got many 6-7 lb plus fish but never into the 10's ...........yet.



http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/HarrywithBIGflounder.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Harryholding8pounderII.jpg

Some other nice one's too

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Harryholding2keepers.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/meandflounder.jpg

[Dave]

Woooah, nice fish Harry! You look a little young though - or did you mean 40 years ago? We usually only catch the biguns in the fall – I guess yous guys have fall all season long… 010

Dave

[Harry]

Na,
That is my son, and I made a mistake, That fish is 6.5 pounds The 8.2 I only have on a regular photo. I will have to scan it and try to post it for you here. She's a beast !!!

[Harry]

OK here's the 8.2 fish. Son's got a little older too, this was from about 4-5 years ago. Personal best



http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/scan0025.jpg

[o2bfishn]

SON-OF-A-............. Never get anything much over the mim. size, 13.5". 004
But I now know what time of year the big ones are around these parts, thanks Dave. (I'm learning) 010

Great pics. Harry, your boy will talk about that catch to his kids years from now-great ,isn't it.

o2bfishn

[Harry]

Yup,
He's 11 now & into two things, Fishing & football !!
He's been fishing since he could hold a rod. I've been reduced to a fish remover and hook baiter 001

That's ok, I LOVE IT !!!

[Dave]

Super pictures Harry - and - how great is it to have a son to spend time with outdoors, eigh? Teresa and I always look forward to the start of the flounder migration in the early summer. When they're available, we like to seek them above most other fish. Here's the way we do it in NC. Do ya'll work 'em the same way in NJ?

Flounder feed different than most inshore fish and require a little different approach to be consistently successful. Most fish move to an area to chase baitfish all through the water column when feeding. Flounder move to a suitable area and bury themselves in the sand and wait in ambush for prey to move close enough to them to strike. Your bait should to be presented relatively close to them in order to attract their attention. You can do this in several ways but least effective is to chuck out your bait and leave it setting in one place. Like most inshore fish, flounder feed most actively when the tide currents cause small baitfish, shrimp and the like, to be swept along and to them. Our favorite way to fish them from a boat is to drift along or through a good area with live minnows or strip baits at the end of a carolina rig or double bottom rig. Flounder runs a close second on our list of best eating fish, right behind black sea bass. But no fish is as thrilling or cause more anticipation or anxiety (to me) than knowing you've set the hook on a big flounder and praying it stays connected until you can get a net around it.

Drift fishing from a boat is most effective but the most exciting for me is to fish them with a level-wind reel in free spool mode. With my thumb keeping the line tight, jigging strait down with a sliding sinker, moving the live minnow up and down, ever so slowly, I wait for the telling jolt as a flounder rises to take the bait with a solid rap on the line. With concentrated effort, you can often feel the minnow get nervous or extra active when a flounder is in his zone, just before the strike. Flounder hit in a unique way and with some experience, you can almost always tell if it's a flounder when the fish makes the initial strike.

Flounder will take surprisingly large bait and my hook setting routine is a whole lot like fishing for Largemouth Bass with a jig or plastic worm. The initial strike often means the flounder has risen to only grab hold of the minnow. With teeth holding minnow securely, the flounder returns to the bottom, (where he was laying in ambush) to finally turn the minnow and inhale it, only then bringing the hook into it's mouth. I'll let him move back down and settle before slowly and carefully bringing the line tight, all the while feeling for the slightest movement, tugging, or pulling on the line, again in a way very unique to flounder. Fortunately, flounder rarely turn loose of a bait once they have hold of it but you can get impatient and set the hook early, before they actually have the whole bait in their mouth, and end up ripping it away from them. If you go carefully and happen to pull the bait or the flounder turns loose of the bait while pulling the line tight, all is not lost. Most time, especially if the fish hasn't felt the hook, the flounder will be setting right where it let go of the bait, if you’ve let him return and settle to the bottom. You can present another fresh minnow to the fish and move it past him for another strike and yet another chance to get a solid hook-up.

One of these days I'm gonna get another scanner to convert some of my old photographs to digital images. I've got some pretty good ones but hardly ever bother to take the box (of 'em) down any more. Maybe I'll take that on as a winter project this year.

[Harry]

Nice report SGT !!

I find that the lightest weight the better hook up ratio.

I see guys with conventional gear and tandem hook rigs (the metal bar with HEAVY nylon leaders) and big triangle sinkers dragging bottom, catching nothing 006

Early in the season (actual our season now starts in June 004) but it used to not have a start date, I fish in the back bays. Fishing in these conditions 10' or less water is a LOT different than ocean or deep fishing for these fish.

In the spring early summer, I fish ONLY fish in 10' or less. I use spining gear med to heavy action (but small rods & reels 6 -6 1/2' )and have become a loyal user of braiding line. It detects the most subtle tap that a lock jaw flounder may produce. I tie a 24" floro leader to the braid and have also become a follower of the Berkley GULP baits. I used to always use Squid and minnow, but this new bait and line out produces the live bait 5 to 1 !!!

I use a 1/4 or 3/8 jig head and the gulp shrimp. There's no mess as in live bait, I can catch 5-10 fish on one bait, & when I'm done I simply remove the bait and put in back in the container.

Just becuase these are bottom feeders (for the most part) they still stay together, and are ambush feeders, that hold to structure and upwellings, letting the current carry the bait to them. They do however stalk their prey and have been seen "walking of their fins" coming towards there food, before attacking.

I am a firm believer that if the fish are there, and the bait is right you will catch them.
I will try a favorite spot for the time of year, if after 2-3 drifts I get no taps, I'm gone to another spot to find them.

Also I keep my drifts short and try to keep my bait in the strike zone, jigging a lot with real small twicthes. I've fished with guys (on there boat) that would set up for a LONG drift and catch 1 or 2 fish and contiune another 25 minutes with nothing. They would run back up and get another fish in the exact spot they did on the first drift and then nothing for the rest of the way.
That's telling me that the fish are concentrated in that one spot and the rest of the drift is just wasting time.
I will even "back troll" to keep over the same spot and stay there until I've got my limit or the fish stop biting.
Sometimes if the tide is bucking the wind, I will cast "up tide" and retive slowly, while jigging with the current basically creating my own drift, with much success. I won a tounament this year doing that, as the weather conditions sucked and the wind & tide were all wrong, but this method produced !!

Once the water temp heats up and the fish are on the move, It's time to start looking to deeper water and a change of stratagy...... But that's another story..................

[Dave]

Mighty good info in that post Harry – thanks, I’ll be putting some of those tips to use next summer. Never tried fishing for flounder with jig heads but have occasionally caught one, fishing for something else, using jigs and plastic grub type baits. I’m impressed also by your attention to the fine details and your observation of what those around you are doing right or wrong, in pursuit of catching flatties - exactly what it takes to increase the odds and get the edge over other tournament fishermen. I'm looking forward to swapping notes with ya next year, as we get into the flounder fishing mode.

Man, I hope they don’t get to setting seasons for flounder in NC but I’m afraid that’s where they’re heading with all the regulations coming about in the past several years. I used to think the size and quantity limits placed on flounder were a good thing when they first began a couple decades ago but more and more, I’m coming to realize that the recreational fishermen are suffering the consequences. When I first arrived in NC, in ’83, the size limit on flounder was 12” with no quantity limit. We caught a LOT of flounder, hook and line, mostly over 12”, in those days. So many, that rarely did I, or most that I knew, keep flounder under 13” anyway. A few years later, the size limit went to 13” and for a year or two, larger flounder were not uncommonly caught. Then over the years, the size limit has varied from 13 to 14”, where it now stands for inland flounder. Within just a very few years of setting the 13” size limit, the ratio of small fish far outnumbered the larger fish being caught by hook and line. That seem logical and a good thing, but (though I’m certainly not a biologist) I know it’s more difficult to reach the big fish when the water is full of smaller, more energetic fish. No one can argue that more flounder are being caught these days but everyone complains about the high number of fish being just under legal size. Rarely in the past I went flounder fishing without bringing back some nice sized fish, but this fall, with no less than 6 mandays of inshore flounder fishing, though I’ve caught several flounder on each trip, not one of them were legal size. Without exaggeration, I bet the ratio of small fish to legal fish caught these past few years has been no less than 100 to 1. Before the 13”, and now the 14” limit had taken hold, it was uncommon for us to catch 3 fish in a row under 14” long. The big fish are being caught for sure, but I’m afraid now it seems, mostly by gill nets, where the masses of small fish swim right through the mesh, trapping the few big (legal size) fish. With fewer fishermen (especially vacationing fishermen) able to catch legal size fish to eat, they are more willing to purchase fish from the market to take back home with them. The price of flounder rises at the market and the card holding commercial fishermen begin targeting flounder in greater numbers and in more strategic and “questionable” locations. Will setting the limit back to 12” improve the quality of fish caught? Now I know this may seem contrary to logical thinking, but I have no doubt it will, and for those that like to eat fish on the bone, these 12 inchers are perfect pan size. Okay, enough of that…

Do you thread the gulp shrimp on the jig head first, like a plastic grub or simply run the hook up through the tail or head and let the majority of the bait trail behind the hook? I always carry gulp shrimp onboard but I think I’m gonna try some of the swimming minnows and especially the 6” bait swimmers this next year. I like to use a bigger bait than most, when flounder fishing, especially if I have someone else in the boat using small presentations.

Dave

[Willie]

Hey guys, gonna jump in here if its ok. we thread the gulp on .. Was out with Harry last summer and he had me on more flounder in a 1/2 hour than I had hooked in 3-4 trips previous. No keepers though. I did not put the time in last season for them, but the year before I had about a 50 to 1 ratio on keepers. our size is 16 1/2 with a limit of 8 I believe. Cut squid, minnows, or bluefish strips were all good, but as Harry said, the gulp bait is much easier to to keep and has produced well. Well I am out of here. gotta go shovel snow. Willie... 010

[Harry]

I'll swap tips with you anytime Dave.

Like Willie said, the shrimp get put on the jig, head first, with the hook coming out the back(top) of the bait. You want the bait as straight as you can get it and not curved or balled up to prevent spinning.

The fish up here in certain bays have there bellies LOADED with mantis shrimp which look exactly like 3-4" new penny Gulp shrimp minus the claws. They look like tiny lobster, in fact when I saw my first one while cleaning a fishes belly, I thought thats what it was. I did some reasearch and found them to be these mantis shrimp.
Other bays don't seem to hold as many mantis shrimp, but the fish still attack the gulp.

Now about fish limits and size. We may not even have a season next year, as Jersey has surpassed it's target to date quota !! 001

About 7-8 years ago our size limit was 13", Every year after that it would increase the size a half inch or inch until our present size limit of 16 1/2", (I think 8 fish bag limit). It changes every year and hard to keep up. And every year there were a bunch of fish caught just under the limit. Eventually the fish have become increaseingly larger and catching 24" fish is fairly common. Still a lot of shorts but the bigger fish are there.

In fact a pending world record 24 pound plus flounder was caught an hour north from me this summer. It was only dis-quailfied by the IGFA because the angler let the rod rest on the gunnel of the boat while fighting the fish 001

I'm not sure if NC is a part of the Mid-Atlantic fish consules area, but there is a lot of talk about Va, & Maryland not doing there share of protecting these fish. NJ has some of the strictest laws.......I'm living it.

[Dave]

Don’t think NC has closed the rec fishing season for flounder yet but we are included in the Mid-Atlantic Fish Council. The commercial guys are regulated and closed down as the flounder quota is met. Admittedly, I don’t pay much attention to commercial fishing regulations and quotas.

If ya’ll are catching good numbers of legal fish, (over 16-1/2”) on a regular basis, then I’m all for it and hope NC takes lesson from NJ’s example. As just a regular guy out fishing for flounder, and talking to others like myself, I believe we are catching a tremendous amount of fish just under legal size and very few over the size limit. Something needs to change – we’ve had 20 years of regulated size limits and the story hasn’t changed – the majority of our catch remains just under legal size and seems like the shorts are increasing in ratio to legal fish each year. My plan for next year is to go where other fear to go - fish shallow and fish deep and leave the moderate depths and well known flounder holes to the masses - gonna get me one of those stainless steel welded, Kevlar meshed, NJ sized flounder landing nets – pictures to follow… 010

Dave

[Gunnar]

Hey guys, I just found this thread[glad I did] those are some impressive pictures!

I didn't catch a keeper flounder last year till Oct. I usually fish inside for flounder and the key for me is structure docks,rocks or ledges. Something that breaks up the current and the flounder can sit behind or sometimes in front of. I usually use a bucktail[3/8 or 1/2 oz.] with the biggest bait I can find hooked through the lips and bounce it along in front of the structure if I don't get a bite after a couple of casts I'll move to the next spot.With a big bait I don't get as many bites but the ones I do usually are bigger fish.

I discovered GULP will work as well if not better than live bait. Last Oct. while shopping I found 4" GULP shrimp in nuclear chicken[red and green and glows] bought it 'cause I thought it was funny.Well I went fishing the next day. Couldn't find anyone to go with so I was by my self. Fishing down by Brown's inlet trying my new gulp for the hell of it when I get a hit and the fish takes off, thought I had hooked a puppy drum, all the way to the boat. When I finally see the fish it's the biggest flounder of my life! I was on my brother-in-laws boat and his landing net is only 18" wide.Somehow with pole in one hand and net in the other I managed to land this sucker! It measured 26" and weighed 8 lb.s even. I caught two more flounder that day that were 19" and 20". I've got a picture at my folks house[had to 'cause I knew nobody would ever beleive me] next time I'm up there I'll get it and post it,had nobody to hold it to show the scale so I laid it down in front of there back door,what a doormat!

Now I can't find 4"shrimp nuclear chicken gulp anywhere.If you find some pick up some for me! 1stsarge we'll get together next fall and find some big flounder.


Gregg

[NOTHING ELSE MATTERS]

Why you guys keep calling them flownder, even Harry, they are FLUKE. clonk clonk clonk 001 001 001

I know, i know, winter and summer flownder, but still ....................

[Dave]

A Flounder, by any other name, is a "fluke" nutkick 005

Dave

[Shakespeare]

With my luck... if I catch a flounder it will be a fluke. ROTFLMAO

Mike C.

[Dave]

I know whatcha mean Shake. I think we both flucked up last year. clonk