Braid to Fluro Knot

[lever]

What do you guys use to attach braid to a fluorocarbon leader? Ive been trying the blood knot but it doesnt seem to hold too well with the different size lines. Tried the Albright knot, but it just seems too hard to tie. *004* I may just have to keep playing with it, but wanted to see what you guys use to attach your lines together. This will be used on a long leader (10' to 12') so it needes to be on the smaller side or at least not a big lump.

[justaddwater]

uno to uno with 5/6 turns each

[Ed&Brenda]

I agree with JAW.

This is what PP has for mono.

http://www.powerpro.com/_cms/Image/uniuni01.jpg

[Gunnar]

What justaddwater said, if there is a big difference in line diameters which there probably is double the the smaller line first. Moisten the knot before tightening it and trim the tag ends flush with the knot and it will go through your guides easily.

Gregg

[workinprogress]

Double uni for me too.*thumbsup*

[lever]

Wow, didnt expect that much of a responce so quickly. Thanks guys!!!

Guunar: What do you mean by double the smaller line first? The braid is obviously smaller, so wrap the braid around the mono first?

[Slim to None]

i use a uni to uni knot with 4 twists on each line. never had a knot break or pull loose.

[Harry]

I use this

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Albrightspecial.jpg


More can be seen about it here
http://www.carolinaskiffowner.com/showthread.php?t=2924&highlight=albright

[Daydreamer]

I have found this site useful for many different applications.

www.animatedknots.com

[Gunnar]

lever,

Loop the end of the braid before tieing the knot. I'll see if I can find a link to show you what I mean.

Gregg

[Dave]

I always tie a fluoro leader to my braid, 3 feet for inshore casting rigs and 6 feet for offshore bottom rigs. I use a Uni to Uni, 4 wraps on larger diameter fluoro and up to 6 on smaller diameter fluoro.

Here's a video. If you want to double the braid (as Gunner suggests), just double it back over itself before you start to tie the knot.

http://videofishingknots.com/double-uni-knot.html

Dave

[MaGoo]

Slim Beauty.

Like any good knot, it takes some practice. It is the knot of choice in New England for attaching Power Pro to Flourocarbon on large spinning outfits for Tuna.

http://www.anglers-outlet.com/slim_beauty_knot.htm

[lever]

Well in a sad kinda way, I spent my lunch break practicing the uni to uni. Alot easier to tie than the Albright. But Im having problems. My knots keep breaking. *004* I know fluoro will break easily if not wet when tightening the knot. Mine (in a gross way) were almost dripping with spit. *Cheers* I tried doubling up both lines, like Gunnar sugested, before tieing but still ended up with the same result. My fluorocarbon leader is 10lb and the braid at 20lbs. Didnt know if that could be affecting things.

Thanks MaGoo, Ill give that one a shot tonight, along with continued practice of my double uni. The slim doesnt look too hard.

Again thanks to everyone for the help.

[justaddwater]

Well in a sad kinda way, I spent my lunch break practicing the uni to uni. Alot easier to tie than the Albright. But Im having problems. My knots keep breaking. *004* I know fluoro will break easily if not wet when tightening the knot. Mine (in a gross way) were almost dripping with spit. *Cheers* I tried doubling up both lines, like Gunnar sugested, before tieing but still ended up with the same result. My fluorocarbon leader is 10lb and the braid at 20lbs. Didnt know if that could be affecting things.

Thanks MaGoo, Ill give that one a shot tonight, along with continued practice of my double uni. The slim doesnt look too hard.

Again thanks to everyone for the help.

lever I have the same problem sometimes with the uno/uno with braid to flurocarbon. *006* I don't know if I understand all I know about it, but I would retie and change the direction of the loops and be sure that both were in the same rotation relative to each other and it seemed to help. For some reason sometimes it will act like the braid just cuts throught the leader. *004* When I retie I make sure that when I'm making my tag end go throught the loops they are coming toward me. I don't reverse the line from the left to the right, I tie the left side with the tag coming toward me through the loop and when tying the right side the tag end comes toward me when coming throught the loop also. But I will say when I have to break off a lure, it usually breaks at that knot. Sometimes it breaks with the knot attached and sometimes it breaks just above the knot. *kickrock*

[Capt. Mick]

surgeons knot for me when I use braid. I still prefer mono.

[ballen]

I always tie a spyder loop in the braid then a "no name" knot to the loop. The only problem with this is you end up with two knots in your line. I don't do a lot casting so thats typically not a problem for me. This was the strongest/quickest combo I could come up with. I have tensile machine at my work, and spent a few lunch hours testing. The only thing better I could come up with was a bimini twist to the no name, but that took entirely to long to tie. Oh yeah, both knots are low profile, so they don't hang up on guides.

[justaddwater]

Almost everything we do is casting, so we like small knots and as few as we can get away with. *014* The uno-uno is the best I've been able to learn so far. *kickrock*

[lever]

Well I played all evening with different knots. Tried the Slim beauty as well as the
Surgeons. Also kept practicing with the Uni to Uni. The only knot I didnt have break on me was a Surgeon knot. After every break I looked at the knot and it was the Fluoro leader that was breaking. Both the braid (20lb) and fluoro(10lb) are Berkley. Ive never been picky about my line brand. But like I said before Ive heard fluoro has a problem with cutting itself.

Anyway, Ill keep playing with all the knots and doubleing the lines before tieing. Im sure Ill come up with something that will work. I appreciate all the info guys.

[Harry]

After every break I looked at the knot and it was the Fluoro leader that was breaking. Both the braid (20lb) and fluoro(10lb)

A chain is only as strong as it's weakest link. In this case 20 lb vs 10 lb, Of course the 10 lb will let go first.
The question is, how much force were you putting on it? 10 lbs ain't much.

You must factor in the bend and give in the rod. Braid will not stretch so you don't get any stretch factor there like you would in mono.
You can land a 40 lb fish on 6 lb test, however you must have a smooth drag and use it properly *thumbsup*

If it were me I would choose a simple knot, you like. Learn it and learn it well. Don't beat yourself up on trying to learn them all at once.
Did you happen to try the REV Albright? IMO, very simple and easy to tie, but yup the floro will break before the 20 lb braid.

Braid sucks when trying to tie it out in the boat when the winds blowing & you got cold wet fingers.

[Eel]

I have 4 go-to leader knots: Albright, Double Uni, Slim Beauty, and Red Phillips. IMHO, different braids like or dislike different leader knots. The same can be said of flouro. I tie the Red Phillips 3:1 to the others, mainly because it works on all brands of braid that I use. The Slim Beauty is a work of art when done right, but I'm always a hand short (its a 3 handed knot) when trying to tie it on the boat. :)

Find a knot that is easy for you to tie and stick with it. A drop of Crazy Glue on the knot will help it sail through the guides on the cast if you're fishing a longer leader and reinforce it.

[justaddwater]

I have 4 go-to leader knots: Albright, Double Uni, Slim Beauty, and Red Phillips. IMHO, different braids like or dislike different leader knots. The same can be said of flouro. I tie the Red Phillips 3:1 to the others, mainly because it works on all brands of braid that I use. The Slim Beauty is a work of art when done right, but I'm always a hand short (its a 3 handed knot) when trying to tie it on the boat. :)

Find a knot that is easy for you to tie and stick with it. A drop of Crazy Glue on the knot will help it sail through the guides on the cast if you're fishing a longer leader and reinforce it.

Hey that's a good idea. :eek: I never thought of using glue. *006*

[Dave]

I have 4 go-to leader knots: Albright, Double Uni, Slim Beauty, and Red Phillips. IMHO, different braids like or dislike different leader knots. The same can be said of flouro.

Eel's absolutely right about that, and I'll add that the pound test (diameter) often influences what knot to use with different line compositions. Mono is the most versatile but braid tends to dig in to the softer line material. Fluoro is stiff and doesn't want to keep some simple knots tight, wanting to come loose at the tag end fairly easily, especially in the larger diameters. Braid is super strong for it's diameter and will tend to cut and bind into other (softer) lines if not pulled up carefully when tightening. I, like justaddwater tie the coils of my uni knots in reverse direction of what it shows in the video (see post # 11) abd the image below. Might be that by reversing the direction, the tag end lays (sort of) parallel to the end loop in the mating line and cushions it from one line cutting into the other. Harry is correct about using light line, it's very easy, especially when tying a complex knot like the uni knot (trying to cinch down tight on the knot) to pull too hard and break the line. I've also found that the smaller diameter fluoro's tend to be brittle and will break at the knot when cinching them down, even to the eye of a hook.

Lever, for the two diameter lines you are working with, I don't think it necessary to double the braid. For my inshore leaders, I don't double the braid and I typically use 10 lb braid with a 20 lb fluoro leader - but if you can manage it and still make a neatly wrapped knot, it sure won't hurt to double the line. I can't speak for some of the other knots mentioned in this thread (haven't used them enough) but the Red Phillips knot would also be a good knot, IMO, for your line choices.

Dave

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc188/djerhart/BraidtoMonoKnot-RedPhillipsKnot.jpg

[costercldo]

Yes I agree with Gunnar and Daydreamer, the web siet is great for knot tying. and the looped braided end then the albright knot is perfect....never ever had a knot break....now the poor choice of leader strength is another story!!!...live and learn...

Charlie....