Front roller hang up II

[Harry]

Saw this set up when picking up my Skiff at Steve's today. Interesting.....

Seems maybe that bottom bunk in the top picture will keep the front from dropping down when the boat goes back or the transom starts to float too high.



http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Bottompaint0002.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Bottompaint0003.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Bottompaint0001.jpg

[Loki]

My rig came with something like that. I haven't yet had the front hang up on me.

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[Willie]

Harry, how is Steve doing? Have not stopped in there in a month or so. I have seen many variations of that set up on the other board. May end up rigging my trailer with one soon.

[Harry]

Steve's doing fine. In fact I invitied him to check out the site and offered to place his banner for his website here.


Hope he checks us out !!!

Now for this front roller thing. I think it is something worth checking out. Looks good and seems it should work !!

[tomytek]

Loki,
How tall is your winch stand? Do you have slick bunks on your trailer? I really like that tandem trailer. I would have preferred a tandem , but the dealer said a single would be fine. I'd like to set up my trailer like yours. I would need a taller winch stand to avoid the roller hang up. My bow stop hung up the first time I put it in the water. It was even a pain getting it back on the trailer. I had to get wet. Extending the trailer tongue might help with that. I'd be nice if all ramps had the perfect incline. The dealer did, so they made it look easy. I'm also planning to add some surge brakes to it later. I'll post pics when I finish the setup.

Here's a pic of mine on the trailer.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q26/tomytek/boatrail.jpg

[Loki]

Hey tommytek, my stand is 34 3/8 inches from the top of the roller. I can still get hung up if the trailer is backed down too far. The trick for me at least is back it down untill just the rear of the fender is under water. This way I can power it off and on without having to get out of the boat.

Another thing you might want to consider, you can back the trailer down untill the fenders are under water and pull the boat up without using alot of power. When you do, just pull halfway up untill the boat stops moving, at this point if you try and pull it all the way up it will hit the bow stop. You can then pull the truck up about 2-3 feet or untill you can see the angle of the front of the boat will rise up and clear the bow stop and either power it the rest of the way or use the winch. This idea shouldn't be used to launch the boat as the roller will get hung up.

As for the bunks, I spay silicone on them every couple of months to make launching and recovering easier. If you do this, do not under any circumstance unhook the bow strap from the eye unless you are in the water as the boat will slide right off the trailer onto the ground. Fiberglass makes a stomach churning noise on concrete when being pushed down the ramp into the water.

Hope this helps!
Loki

[louis]

HARRY. FIRST OF ALL I LOVE THIS WEB SITE YOU ARE COOL TO THINK OF IT ANDWITH THE HELP OF YOUR PALS GET IT DONE. I'VE FOUND YALL CAUSE I AM AT WITTS END TO RESOLVE THIS FRONT ROLLER HANG UP PROBLEM WITH MY 218 DLV. I USE BOTH SHALLOW AND STEEP RAMPS IN SOUTH FLORIDA/KEYS ETC.

I WAS WONDERING IF ANYONE USES THE CENTER ROLLERS IN CONCERT WITH THE BUNKS DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD OR BAD IDEA.

I HAVE A 218 DLV ON A CONTINENTAL TRAILER WHICH HAS BOTH BUNKS AND ROLLERS. THE DEALER NEVER ADJUSTED THE ROLLERS TO THE HULL, I BWONDER IF THE ROLLERS WOULD BE A HELP OR A HINDRANCE?
OR NO DIFFERANCE AT ALL... 018

[Willie]

Not supposed to use the rollers alone........in conjunction with the bunks, have no idea. As far as the bow hangup, I have the same problem sometimes, but have usually been able to adjust the entry angle into the water to remedy it. There have been many postings on this, try doing a search for bow hang up and see what you can come up with.... here is one idea, http://carolinaskiffowner.com/index.php?topic=1004.0 notice the picture from Redfisherdave a couple of post down the page.... let us know how you make out and remember to keep on skiffin and postin Willie 017 014

[Fillet1]

I know that bow hang up is a real problem with the skiff. Otherwise there would not be all the posts about it.

But for some reason, in using my boat regularly at 3 different ramps of varying types I have not had the bow hang. I have a single axle road king galvanized trailer with a regular bow stop roller.

I typically back the trailer in to just shy of the top of the wheel fenders. The boat is in the water but not floating. I jump out of the truck, grab my stern line and tie it to the dock with slack. I attach my bow line to the bow cleat, tie the other end to the dock with slack or to the winch post with slack (depending on the ramp). Unhook the winch strap. Get back in truck, roll back a bit and lock the brakes. Boat slides off no problem. If it doesnt come right off, I pull up a foot or two, roll back and hit the brakes. Grab my ropes, tie of the boat to the dock and park truck.

[Harry]

Thanks for the kind words louis,

The members here is what makes this place special. Thanks for joining our ranks.

Anyway,
Like Fillet had just said and I have said in the past. It seems to me that it's just a matter of getting used to the angle of your ramp and the tide at any given time.

However there have been a few here that have added a carpeted bow stop that extends from above the bow lip down towards the pulling eye. With this, I believe you need not worry about bow hang up at any tide or ramp.

Maybe someone that has that set up can chime in.

Welcome to CSO louis

[Big Will]

This is the solution we came up with...

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q246/BiggWilll/easter010.jpg

[Willie]

Another idea I have seen some where is to take a 2' piece of I believe 2" pvc pipe and place it under the bow lip where the trailer bow stop gets hung up. Needs to be bolted through the lip. This fills in the gap so the bow roller rolls right over it. This one has been cut as you can see. and just glued in it looks like.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/wareese27/shore%20album/0120013.jpg

here are some other ideas too

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/wareese27/shore%20album/Bow20stop.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w172/wareese27/shore%20album/JV-17201.jpg

[bobreeves]

I would definitely go with more like what Willie has. What scares me about Big Will's setup is that in the event of an emergency stop, at that angle the bow stop is more of a launcher than a stop. I used only vertical 2x4s on my J16 and haven't had a hang problem since I installed them, and launch at ramps with greatly varying steepness, one so steep that many refuse to launch there, but with my 4 wheel drive and light boat I've never had a problem.

[Big Will]

Hmmm, I've never thought of it like that... I see your point though, if I powered on to the trailer I could run the boat right up the bow stop. I don't though.

I made this bow support after my third or fourth time of having to lift the boat up and off of the roller where it was lodged. Its two bolts with washers and nuts , 4 pieces of 2x4, 8 or so screws, and a little indoor outdoor carpet.

I guess the reason I've never ramped up on the bow support is due to technique. I stop the trailer so both bunks are 18" or so out of the water. At that amount of bunk showing I also don't have to get my feet wet and can walk up to the trailer, I untie the boat from the dock, pull the boat by rope to the trailer, walk over to the trailer, step on to the plank I added, hook the winch to the bow, and crank it the last 4 or 5 feet to the point I stop at. So far no problems.,.

As you may guess I do a lot of solo fishing trips so I have developed ramp habits accordingly.

[o2bfishn]

Big Will,

I like your bow stop and I don’t believe you’ll ever have trouble lunching over it while loading your skiff, but I would worry if you had to stop in a hurry while towing. If someone pulled in front of you and you hit them your skiff could end up in your back seat.

Once not long ago I had to stop fast and was real hard on the brakes and my 238 DLV moved forward on the trailer, first time ever the bow roller got under the lip on the bow. I use stern tie down straps and the boat still was able to move forward on the trailer about 2”-3”. I hate to see what would happen if I were to hit something.

Maybe adding “goal post” uprights would prevent the boat from moving forward, I have been thinking of adding something like that to my trailer to prevent the forward movement, the rear straps aren’t enough to hold the skiff on the trailer in case of front collision.

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[Harry]

Not sure about how your boat is strapped to the trailer, but mine has a winch strap, safety chain, and 2 nylon transom binders. I doubt very much anything is "launching" anywhere in an emergency stopping situation. Of course if you "hit" something stuff breaks, and all bets are off no matter how good it strapped, binded, goal post stoppers, factory roller stopper ...etc

It might moved FWD 4" as the transom binders are pointing back about 2" from being over center the way it sits, so if the boat moves FWD they would then be 2" FWD from over center.

The only negative thing I can think of as using the goal post to stop to bow from going FWD would be since the rolled bow lip is not that strong and rather thin (at least on the DLV), I would think it could bust the lip off 006

Again, this is just my opinion which with 50 cents will get you a cup of coffee .............

[Harry]

Once not long ago I had to stop fast and was real hard on the brakes and my 238 DLV moved forward on the trailer, first time ever the bow roller got under the lip on the bow.



I assume you mean the lip just above the pulling eye ? I was referring to the lip that the rub rail attaches.

[Big Will]

Oh, never thought of that either...

Again technique plays a part. You guys have seen my truck. It's 23 yrs old. I ain't doing anything fast - going or stopping. I recently re did the brakes, but the ole' grey mare ain't what she used to be so I take it easy coming and going. Besides like Harry said, the chain, the cinched bow rope, and the ratchet strap across the stern would stop it, and if they didn't the foot of the kicker is always down when I trailer to and from the ramp.

Thanks for the safety tips though.

Will

[Harry]

I recently re did the brakes, but the ole' grey mare ain't what she used to be so I take it easy coming and going.


Even if your only doing 40 MPH, if some fool pulls out in front of your , your screwed ... kickrock

[o2bfishn]

Harry, you are right, the lip just over the bow pulling eye.

I worry that in a sudden stop that the bow eye would fail (pull through) or a strap could break sending the boat forward into your truck. On another site someone posted pictures of a truck that hit a pole and his boat (a vee-bottom) broke loose and came into his cab. Never would have though about this if it weren’t for my skiff moving forward during a hard stop.

Not worried about your driving Bill Will, it’s the other guy that pulls out in front of you, like Harry said “you’re screwed”.

I would like to use a ratchet strap over the boat gunnels and down to the trailer, but with rolled gunnels I don’t believe you can do this. Maybe someone can come up with a mod. to the gunnels where the strap would go over it to solve the problem. Strapping the boat down onto the trailer would go a long way toward keeping your skiff on the trailer in a collision.

Maybe I think (worry) to much, but some of us pull our skiffs a long way (offend) to fish.


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[bigfish3]

There is another post somewhere around here in regards to lifting a skiff by the rolled edges. The fellow who accomplished this feat called CS and they advised him to be sure to spread the strain over 12" or something. There is a post with Photos...

http://carolinaskiffowner.com/index.php?topic=355.0

I am no engineer but my guess is that the reinforcing material would need to be fastened in a few more place perhaps, but if the eyes were under the rail, you could run a ratcheting strap from a secure point farther aft on the trailer running forward to them, cinch them down tight ad avoid forward movement.

That is unless the force overcomes the breaking strength of the strap, in which case duck...

I love the fee exchange of information on this site!

Cheers,
Butch

[redfish74]

MY trailer is just like the one in the first pic's. If you go with that style of trailer, do not tighten nuts on top pad.Will still sometimes catch under rail but rolls right out. The worst problem I have had is no matter how tight I draw the winch after about 1/2 mile drive down the road, the boat rides up the bottom board and you have to stop and tighten the winch.

[EricF]

I know this an old thread, but....just wanted to add my 'secret weapon' against hangups.

DO NOT back the trailer in the water to the point of the boat floating. Put your transom in the water with the weight still on the trailer...when you slide your boat off, it will slide down the bunks a little before the transom startes floating to a point of dropping the bow at it angles up (or down, depending how you see it). I back mine in to 'floating' to wet the bunks...then pull back up a few feet to get the boat out of the water except the rear end of it. This will work on ALL ramps. The super steep ones will require you to handle the winch when sliding the boat off though. You'll get the hang of it no time. I power off and power on.

[NOTHING ELSE MATTERS]

Thanks for the tip EricF. thumbsup

[Patroclus]

All informative suggestions.
I've only launched my boat once and did have a problem with retrieval, but I assume I was in too far at a steep drop at a ramp that poses problems at low tide.

Will be certainly working on launching technique for this boat.

[bpweaver]

After reading all the problems people are having with their bow hanging up on the stop, I thought I would post a pic of my setup. It was towed from Fl to Tx this way with no problems at all

[lakebiker]

After reading all the problems people are having with their bow hanging up on the stop, I thought I would post a pic of my setup. It was towed from Fl to Tx this way with no problems at all

You need to go RIGHT NOW and play the lottery. *008*

[bpweaver]

You need to go RIGHT NOW and play the lottery. *008*

Please explain how this is any different that a bow stop under the lip? This trailer was custom made for the very reasons this post was started.

[lakebiker]

Please explain how this is any different that a bow stop under the lip? This trailer was custom made for the very reasons this post was started.

Sorry, but this is what I see and this guy had a bow stop. Scroll down a bit. I did miss your winch cable the first time I looked though.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/972246/

[bpweaver]

judging from the damage to the front of that truck, I seriously doubt that a bow stop placed higher on the hull would have made a bit of difference. The most important thing in this photo is the brand of vessel. Its always the guy in the Bayliner=Lining the bottom of a Bay near you

[lakebiker]

judging from the damage to the front of that truck, I seriously doubt that a bow stop placed higher on the hull would have made a bit of difference. The most important thing in this photo is the brand of vessel. Its always the guy in the Bayliner=Lining the bottom of a Bay near you


And it's hard to tell but I believe thats a Dodge pulling it too. *laughing**laughing*