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Check this out http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/showthread.php?t=152591&page=1&pp=10

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Did you guys look at this fish?

[workinprogress]

Wow!

[TooTall]

You sure that is a fish!!!
It looks like a monster.

I remember a write up years ago in "The Fisherman" of a shark caught by a couple of guys on a 22' boat on the south side of the point (montauk). when thay were done fighting the FISH and had a rope over it's tail they notice the thing had dragged them a few more miles out. They catch was a 14' mako which they were in a 22' mako boat.

Charlie

[lakebiker]

Yep, that's for sure a grown up. :o :o :o

[Fillet1]

Thats an awesome mako. O0

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You sure that is a fish!!!
It looks like a monster.

I remember a write up years ago in "The Fisherman" of a shark caught by a couple of guys on a 22' boat on the south side of the point (montauk). when thay were done fighting the FISH and had a rope over it's tail they notice the thing had dragged them a few more miles out. They catch was a 14' mako which they were in a 22' mako boat.

Charlie


Did you hear about the mako that jumped in the boat?
Tow guys fishing outside Montauk, when they cought this "big" fish, they were fighting it for god knows how long and it surfaced it jump and wright in the went.I think was like 10-12 foot mako.I don't know how they killed it, but they went home with it.

[o2bfishn]

Now thats a fish!!!!!!!!!!! 018

But why kill it??? What are you going to do with it ?? 006

Me thinks (thats southern) it would be better if we let the older (bigger) predators live on.(?) waving

No tree hugger, just thinking about "our" future (fishing). thumbsup

02bfishn 014

[Big Will]

I understand the logic of letting the little ones go so they can grow big...

But in this case, it did grow big, why let it grow any bigger? That dang thing could kill a man!

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I understand the logic of letting the little ones go so they can grow big...

But in this case, it did grow big, why let it grow any bigger? That dang thing could kill a man!



That was a female mako, and if you know , they have to be in the 500 lbs vicinity in order to produce.So technicly, she is a baby still.
If it was me there, i would take as many pictures i could, and let her go.Most of my fishing is catch and release any way.

[Big Will]

Oh, well for he sake of our friendship, I'll hold back my opinion...

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Oh, well for he sake of our friendship, I'll hold back my opinion...




You should let out your thoughts. I will not take it personally and you still be my friend. 012 thumbsup

[Inlet ed]

Hey;
Why not just cut the fins off and sell them to the orientals and throw the fish back.
Inleted

[o2bfishn]

Sharks normally don’t bother swimmers, and killing off sharks (or anything else in general) does make any sense.


It’s a known fact that animal and fish populations need large predators to keep the overall environment healthy.

Large (most) sharks have been killed off in large numbers, leading to the large increase in the skate population, which has lead to a very large decrease in the scallop population that has lead to a closed season in N.C. for scallop fisherman.


It all ties together. Removing juveniles from any population does little harm; most will not make it to adulthood anyway. Mature individuals are the breed stock, the best genes that survived, to carry on a population.


And Big Will please don't hold back your thoughts, knowing others opinions is the best way to learn, and I wouldn't hold a differents of opinion against anyone. You are still my friend regardless of your opinion on sharks. 012


02bfishn 014

[Big Will]

I don't think I have the time or the energy for this but here goes. Food webs are very very complicated. If some people want to catch and release fish, hey thats great, knock yourself out. Personally if I'm going to the trouble of seeking it finding it and catching it, I'm taking it home as long as its in the legal limits. Also, I don't shark fish. But for those guys that do, again, knock yourself out. If you want to kill it fine. If you don't fine. It really isn't going to make a lot of difference.

Fish populations in general have declined about 90 percent in the last 100 years. It is necessary for shark populations to do the same or things will be even further out of balance. I agree the reduction in sharks affects the population of skates and in turn the pop. of scallops, but you can't just increase the population of top predators and expect it to have only a positive effect on the scallop populations. In fact leaving more and more top predators in the system while constantly reducing the prey populations can be detrimental for the predator - in times of reduced prey population, top predators enjoy higher food intake and more reproductive success only as they become a smaller population themselves.

The skates will eventually reduce their own population as they decimate the scallops and then the numbers of skates will decline unless they find another source of food.

In recent years animal planet, nat geo, and other media, has popularized shark conservation. I personally think its out of balance. If it had been a marlin in the photo, we probably wouldn't be having this conservation conversation. But, that's the politics of marlin and sharks.

If we all want to really do something to help the oceans we'd all buy an expensive coastal estuarian home, demo the house and hardscape, let nature take over, lock up our boats and never burn another gallon of gas in the sea.

It's the little stuff we depend on the most.

[bushwacker]

[QUOTE=o2bfishn;12114]Sharks normally don’t bother swimmers, and killing off sharks (or anything else in general) does make any sense.


Some Sharks don't bother swimmers. If you kill them off then that makes more room for more crabs. I know in the passed few years here on the Texas coast that the population of Bull Sharks have increased. The number of people being bitten has done the same. If you drive down some of the beachs that only fisherman go to, you will find a good number of big Bulls dead on the beach. The way they see it is one less chance to get bit or eatten. This is the reason I no longer wade the surf. I have seen 6 foot Bulls in the uper end of Trinity Bay. Just swimming by the boat looking for something to bit. I know a few guides that are keeping their customers in the boat more too.

Don't Kill Sharks??

I woulder if the same people, that want to let them go, would change their minds about not killing sharks if they where face to face with a Tiger, Mako, or Bull shark in the sharks backyard. I think the first bit and they would be wishing that the guy that let that fish go, the day before, would have kept his catch.

I saw a few BIG Tiger sharks hung up last year and they where caught only 20 miles out. Now what I was thinking is, what if some guy was going out to get dinner and his boat went down. This Tiger shark comes along and now that same guy "IS" dinner. I would rather see that shark on the dock than out eating someone because thats what some sharks do. According to SHARK WEEK on TV, these are in the top 5 man eaters. All these guys on TV have had encounters with sharks that would have gotten them eaten if something had not been in the way. "cages, cameras, etc" Some of these guys did get bit. One guy was saying how Bulls wouldn't mess with you and then one ate his leg. He did get all that on film too. After it bit him it was coming back for more. Getting a show on TV is not worth that.

Well I gess you know how I feel about sharks so I can stop now.

[angus99]

Now thats a fish!!!!!!!!!!!

But why kill it? What are you going to do with it ??

Me thinks (thats southern) it would be better if we let the older (bigger) predators live on.(?)

No tree hugger, just thinking about "our" future

02bfishn 014

Gotta agree with you. The sorriest fishing trip I've ever been on was about 10 years ago when we went for Marlin out of Charleston. We saw 9 that day, hooked up with six and boated one. They were the most magnficent animals I've ever seen--wild, powerful and totally aggressive predators. I'll never forget seeing the one I had (breifly) on the line, estimated at 500-600 lbs by the captain) greyhounding across the wake behind us. We ended up boating just one--a baby--and it happend to be the a**hole who owned the boat's turn in the fighting chair. Everybody begged him to take a photo and release it, but he had to haul it back to have it weighed (98 lbs) and strut in front of his buddies. Then he left it rotting at the dock.

I'm not saying what this guy did is the same as shark fishermen who catch a monster and plan to eat it. They did the work and it's their right. But that episode soured me for life on killing something that magnificent for vanity. And I'm not equating the thrill of seeing a Marlin leap with the dread of seeing a large shark cruise by. But both ARE top-of-the-food-chain predators, they both DO serve a function that I think we're better off not screwing with, and I personally don't need to kill either of them to prove my manhood.

As for wiping sharks out because they threaten people--that strikes me as futile. When I'm in salt water, I consider myself part of the food chain. Being killed by sharks is a miniscule risk I accept, although one I still take every measure possible to avoid. But trying to get them before they get me, like a modern-day Quint ("Jaws"), seems a bit silly.

Sorry for the long-winded post.

angus

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If i had a thumbs up icon, you would of get a few.

[angus99]

Been away from the forum for a couple days.

NEM, thanks.

angus

[boogieblues50]

hey
We use to catch a lot of small to med size sharks of the end of St Georges Island park in Florida...We would keep a few smaller ones and cut them into steaks for the grill or smoking on the brinkman smoker...The med to larger ones we would fin...The fins are actualy pretty good and I bet you have eaten them before in some restruarant sold as scallops...We would take the fined sharks to East point and sell them to a guy for 99 cents a pound on the hoof....$200-300 buys a lot of PBR,,,lol....They would than be made into cat food...Fun day on the beach surf fishing...Good eats ...free beer....nothing wasted and some happy cats...lol
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