Washdown pump install WITH PICS

[Fillet1]

I installed a raw water washdown this weekend. I started with a Rule livewell pump with a second port for a washdown. I connected a jabsco par max 3 pump, an outlet fitting and a switch. Here are a few pics for Harry:

Intake the same:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Fillet1/intake.jpg

The new pump with second port:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Fillet1/sump.jpg

The pump mounted on the transom:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Fillet1/pump.jpg

Hose and fitting. You can see the switch with the rubber boot to the right:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Fillet1/hose.jpg

one more:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/Fillet1/hose2.jpg

[Willie]

You do nice work, pretty darn neat.

[Fillet1]

Thanks Willie! I need a shakedown run to make sure I have no leaks.

[Harry]

Looks good Rich, & thanks for the photo's.

I'm just wondering if I leave the Livewell pump I have and "T" off the outlet side of it to the washdown pump if it will work??? I'm lean towards no, because the water would have to travel through the impellers and housing of the livewell pump and their might not enough flow because I would assume the washdown pump is fast.
Anybody have any thoughts on that?

So Rich,
What size livewell pump did you go with, and what size tube is it that goes through the hull?

Thanks

[Fillet1]

Harry,

You cant run a washdown off the outlet of the well pump with a "T". The flow will be impeded IMO.

I bought a 500gph well pump. Its a new model Rule pump. Whats nice is that it is adjustable so that you can change the location of the ports. Here is what I bought:

http://www.rivermarinesupply.com/xcart/catalog/product_11183_Rule_Dual_Port_Cartridge_Livewell_Pu mps.html

The tube is 3/4. Its part of the pump. All the fittings were 3/4 with the exception of the Perko hose outlet which was 1/2.

My washdown pump has a continuous duty rating for livewell use. BUT only at full flow. I thought full flow would be too much for the small well in the boat, so I went with the second pump with the extra port. If you are willing to risk the well operation at full flow, you wouldnt need the well pump, but use one to run both.

[Harry]

Bought a washdown pump and installed it yesterday. I asked the clown at Boaters world if it was a pump you could use for a washdown AND areator, he said YES ! After I got home and read the instructions I found that you CANNOT run it longer than 20 minutes at a time which is no good for an areator !!! >:(

Tomorrow I'll be going out to get the rule areator pump and hook it up sort of like Fillet. ::)

PS,
Rich,
I found that the toggle switch that runs the Nav lights on our consloe is a 3 way swicth. All the way up is for the Nav lights, in the middle is off, and down is a spare which I intend on using for the washdown.... :D
Figure if I'm every out at night and need the washdown I won't be under way, so I won't need the nav lights for a second. If I need to washdown at night I'll just need to be stopped. :-\

[Fillet1]

Those salesguys need some help! Harry, is one position of that switch for the anchor light
and the other for the running lights? What kind of through hull and valve are you using?

[Harry]

Can't recall off the top of my head, but I think the anchor light is a seperate swicth. (where the hell IS the anchor light anyway, I can't recall seeing one?)

Right now I don't have a through hull seacock valve, but I have a plug that I keep on board in case of an emergency leak, I can throw it in on the outside of the transom.

I'll be picking up the areator in the AM.

[Fillet1]

My anchor light (and the nav light) are on poles up under the bow deck. Ther are rubber clips there to hold them.

The general rule is to have a seacock. Of course the boat came with no seacock and the pump mounted through the hull. Im sure that 99% of skiffs dont have seacocks. There IMO is not enough room in the sump area to install one with the pump. I will keep a wood plug handy if there is a prob. Extra hull plugs for the scuppers may fit the 3/4 tube also.

All hoses should be double clamped. As you can see from my pics I still have to get to that.

The washdown pump should be mounted in a dry area, which is hard to find in a skiff. It should also be mounted with the motor on top(if you are mounting on the transom) in case your hose connections leak the water wont run all over the motor. As you can see my motor is on the bottom, only because I had mounting restrictions with the battery switch and wiring.

Which washdown pump are you getting? Make sure those know it alls in B world or West give you one that is for salt water!!! When you look at the pumps in the store, MANY are for a fresh water washdown and or freshwater system. The components are not salt water rated and the pump will fail quickly if used for a raw water system.

[Fillet1]

Oh yeah - make sure you get a filter for the pump. You can see the one on the right side of mine. Here is the kit I bought:

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/producte/10001/-1/10001/271350/0/0/jabsco%20pump/All_2/mode+matchallpartial/0/0

[Harry]

My anchor light (and the nav light) are on poles up under the bow deck. Ther are rubber clips there to hold them.

The general rule is to have a seacock. Of course the boat came with no seacock and the pump mounted through the hull. Im sure that 99% of skiffs dont have seacocks. There IMO is not enough room in the sump area to install one with the pump. I will keep a wood plug handy if there is a prob. Extra hull plugs for the scuppers may fit the 3/4 tube also.

All hoses should be double clamped. As you can see from my pics I still have to get to that.

The washdown pump should be mounted in a dry area, which is hard to find in a skiff. It should also be mounted with the motor on top(if you are mounting on the transom) in case your hose connections leak the water wont run all over the motor. As you can see my motor is on the bottom, only because I had mounting restrictions with the battery switch and wiring.

Which washdown pump are you getting? Make sure those know it alls in B world or West give you one that is for salt water!!! When you look at the pumps in the store, MANY are for a fresh water washdown and or freshwater system. The components are not salt water rated and the pump will fail quickly if used for a raw water system.




I saw the lights under the front deck , and refer to those as the Nav and stern lights. I guess they are calling them anchor lights, as you use them to anchor ??? I was thinking there was a light inside th deck area or something.. :-[

That 3-way toggle is for those lights in the "anchor" or down position.
So instead of using that swicth I just mounted a swicth in the rear deck near the bulkhead hose fitting.

I'm all set now with the washdown system and it works fine, plus I got the rule 800 GPH aerator pump with the washdown fitting and put the one that came with the boat in the basement.

[Fillet1]

We need pics!!! 8)

With the lights, you put both in their sockets and if you switch to the anchor position on the rear white light works.

If I get adventurous I'd like to mount those shark eye nav lights into the hull.

[Harry]

What do you need pic's for? It pretty much looks like th epic's you posted... ;D

OK,
I'll try to get some and post'em here for ya.

[Harry]

Ok, Got some pic's of my washdown install.

Bulkhead fitting & swicth
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Washdownpump0001.jpg

Dual port areator, 1 line giong to live well, the other to the washdown filter and then to pump and out to the bulkhead fitting

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Washdownpump0002.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e223/aclineman/Washdownpump0003.jpg

Guess I should have cleaned the sump area out a little better for the photo. ;D Dang tree's ::)

[obxdlv]

Harry and Fillet1, I was thinking of doing the same thing to my boat. Are you both happy with the pressure of the washdown as well as everything else? Would you do anything different? thanks

[Fillet1]

I have no probs with my setup and it has plenty of pressure. Harry may have had a prob with his pump but I think he was happy with his setup as well.

[Harry]

Only problem I had was the pump went bad. Since it was less than a year old (5 ) months, All I had to do was take it back to Boaters World and they gave me a new one.

Pressure is fine for a 19' boat. ...

[Chatham Scott]

Can you let us know the part number on that 2 port Rule pump? Not sure how this works. Since the washdown has its own pump, does the Rule pump run to feed the washdown, or is it simply a branch off the water supply to the livewell, and the washdown pump does all the pumping for the washdown?

Thanks..

[NOTHING ELSE MATTERS]

No, does not have to run, it is a bypass kinda thing , i just installed mine today.i got the 800 GPH pump. Model #403STC by rule .

[Fillet1]

Scott - Its just a built in bypass so both livewell and washdown can feed from the same fitting.

[Chatham Scott]

Kind of a general question.. When you are screwing things like this pump into the boat, what kind of screws do you use? Obviously, you don't want them to go thru to the other side, so how thick is the fiberglass? Do you need to drill a partial starter hole? thanks

[o2bfishn]

Scott,

No screws needed for the pump. The threaded intake tube on the pump goes through the transom hole with a nut on the inside of the transom and one on the outside. tighten up the nuts against each other. Just use some sealant. I installed the same set up to get water for my wash down pump, works good.

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[Harry]

o2bfishn

I think he means to mount the pump itself, not the thru hull fitting. Maybe i'm wrong, or he can chime in here and clear it up for us.

[Shakespeare]

Harry, you're right... you got to screw the base down. I can't answer the question about screw type though. 006

Mike C.

[Fillet1]

Kind of a general question.. When you are screwing things like this pump into the boat, what kind of screws do you use? Obviously, you don't want them to go thru to the other side, so how thick is the fiberglass? Do you need to drill a partial starter hole? thanks


Scott,

I use stainless wood type screws. Pre-drill the holes with a bit about the size of the shaft of the screw. Countersink the outside of teh hole to prevent cracks. I think I used 1 inch screws on the pump. There are feet on the pump with rubber grommets so the full length of the screw does not penetrate.

[o2bfishn]

After rereading the post I think you're right Harry. clonk clonk clonk

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[Chatham Scott]

Kind of a general question.. When you are screwing things like this pump into the boat, what kind of screws do you use? Obviously, you don't want them to go thru to the other side, so how thick is the fiberglass? Do you need to drill a partial starter hole? thanks


Scott,

I use stainless wood type screws. Pre-drill the holes with a bit about the size of the shaft of the screw. Countersink the outside of teh hole to prevent cracks. I think I used 1 inch screws on the pump. There are feet on the pump with rubber grommets so the full length of the screw does not penetrate.


thanks.. that's what i was looking for.. On my old boat, which was a 1993 CS I didn't mind drilling holes to mount stuff, but I'm sure I'm going to want to be a lot more judicious when I pick up the new boat... Plan to use more velcro than holes when I can ... thanks again

[NOTHING ELSE MATTERS]

Chatham, you can use just 4200 or 5200 to mount the pump on the floor.Mount the basket on the floor, wait a day or two to dry, then snap the pump onto the basket and you're done.

[Fillet1]

For the sump, there are ring mounts for the pump that mount to the side of the sump area and suspend the pump above the bottom of the sump. This keeps the pump from clogging up with debris. I have a higher cap pump and the ring since last season and have not mounted it yet. I like NEM's 5200 idea if you are mounting it to the floor.

I am not so shy about drilling holes and using screws in the skiff. (except on the deck itself) The transom is Coosa board which will not wick water to other areas like older boats did. In the older mako, aquasport seacraft grady, etc the transoms were plywood covered in glass. If you screwed in a transducer at the water line and did not seal the holes properly, the water would get in and spread throughout a much larger area. In some of the older boats (mako) the area where the garboard drain was was completely exposed plywood that would be constantly exposed to bilge water and these transoms would get wet quick and eventually fail. Plywood was also used in decks and center consoles which also failed when exposed to water.

On the skiff there is practically no wood to worry about. (There is a bit in the helm area of the console and the front deck of the DLV I am not sure of.) (Anyone who drilled theirs to mount rod holders can tell us)

On the deck, water getting into the hull is the concern. The stringers run across the beam of the boat, so if water penetrates screw holes in the bow area of the deck, I'm not sure it will ever come out, as it doesnt flow to the transom area. I pulled all console screws and seat screws and put 4200 in the holes. There was no sealant at all from the factory.

I dont want things coming apart when running and the skiff bangs everything around quite a bit. I'll take 5200 with screws to make sure it doesnt come apart.

[Chatham Scott]

Chatham, you can use just 4200 or 5200 to mount the pump on the floor.Mount the basket on the floor, wait a day or two to dry, then snap the pump onto the basket and you're done.


Thanks NEM.. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by "the basket"?

Also, while I'm at at it, I was looking at your pics for your washdown install and noticed you used the tournament dual port Rule livewell pump... That one looks to be about $80 more than the "pro series".. For example, I see the 500 GPH model 201FCDP on the web for $36... I *rarely* fish with live bait (the only time I did really was when I would catch bluefish and use them for tuna wishing offshore..), so in your opinion, will the $36 model do the trick, or will I wish I'd spent the additional dough on the tournament model? I don't have my boat yet, so I'm not sure what it comes with (I'm getting the 19DLV).

Thanks - btw, your pictures look great... that boat is going to be the Rolls Royce of skiffs by the time you're done..

[Harry]

Chatham, you can use just 4200 or 5200 to mount the pump on the floor.Mount the basket on the floor, wait a day or two to dry, then snap the pump onto the basket and you're done.


Thanks NEM.. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by "the basket"?



You guys are talking about 2 different things here.

First the "washdown" pump is the big black motor pump in the photo's on the first page here. The way to mount this is just like Fillet1 said, use a pilot hole with stainless steel self tapping wood screws. Be sure to use 5200 or other type water proof sealant before installing the screws.

Now the basket that NEM is trying to confuse you with 001 , is on the "rule" sump pump. The "bilge pump".

There is a "basket" or removable base that snaps free from the pump.
Inside, there's a screen to keep debris out of the pump impeller. Once you remove the base or "basket", you can mount that using the same method as mounting the "washdown pump" ........... pilot holes, SS screws, sealant. After the base is mounted you simply lay the screen in the base and snap the pump into the base.


Hope this clears it up, if it didn't ask again.
There seemed to be a couple question flying here at once...... ::)

[Chatham Scott]

Chatham, you can use just 4200 or 5200 to mount the pump on the floor.Mount the basket on the floor, wait a day or two to dry, then snap the pump onto the basket and you're done.


Thanks NEM.. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean by "the basket"?



You guys are talking about 2 different things here.

First the "washdown" pump is the big black motor pump in the photo's on the first page here. The way to mount this is just like Fillet1 said, use a pilot hole with stainless steel self tapping wood screws. Be sure to use 5200 or other type water proof sealant before installing the screws.

Now the basket that NEM is trying to confuse you with 001 , is on the "rule" sump pump. The "bilge pump".

There is a "basket" or removable base that snaps free from the pump.
Inside, there's a screen to keep debris out of the pump impeller. Once you remove the base or "basket", you can mount that using the same method as mounting the "washdown pump" ........... pilot holes, SS screws, sealant. After the base is mounted you simply lay the screen in the base and snap the pump into the base.


Hope this clears it up, if it didn't ask again.
There seemed to be a couple question flying here at once...... ::)




I do believe I've got it this time.. thanks !

[NOTHING ELSE MATTERS]

Harry, thank you for clarifying this for me, i thought clonk he was asking for bildge pump installation.


Chatham Scott, my boat came with a 500 GPH livewell pump and i thought it would be too small especially when water is warmer than normal, that is why i went with a bigger(800 GPH) pump.On my other boat i have 1800 GPH pump, but i also have a 50 gallon livewell.

[Sean Strickland]

Does anyone have any pictures or good places to put coil hose holder in 2010 238 dlv . I wanted to put it somewhere in rear to look very neat , but with fuel tank in the rear my space is limited.

[Robertfishes]

nice job on the washdown pump!